I don’t drop by the Panda’s Thumb very often, but I did yesterday, and I found this gem of an interaction.
First raven quotes a report that many young adults are leaving Christian churches when they grow up, and adds,
What implies this is that xianity is on the skids in the USA. Making creationism a litmus test works both ways. If people have to believe that mythology is real and hating science is a requirement, some will just drop the religion. Mostly the best and brightest.
By my reckoning, based on the ARIS surveys, between 1 and 2 million people leave the religion every year. These days between the xian terrorist MD assassins, the Catholic child rape problem, and the Hutaree xian militia wannabe cop killers, xianity is providing quite the wind at the back for this exodus.
I don’t know about you, but “xian” for Christian strikes me as a deliberate insult. Mind you, I’m not even a believer, but this offends me. Yes, people sometimes used to write Xmas for Christmas, but that initial letter is not an X in our alphabet, it is a Chi in the Greek alphabet and so is correctly used as an abbreviation for Christ. Using a lowercase x is plain and simply wrong since there is no connection between lowercase x and “Christ”. And I think people like raven know that and do it intentionally.
Continuing, raven goes on to quote one (count ‘em, one) Catholic Cardinal saying atheists are “sub-human”. (Well, he’s scum. That doesn’t mean the whole Catholic Church is scum.) raven then adds,
This isn’t going to go over well. The No Religions are now 24% of the US population, 72 million people, the largest sect if they were a sect. Humans have a very predictable response when they are attacked, insulted, and demonized. Right back at them.
Yep, that’s quite true. And the people who are regularly called death cultists and accused of wanting to overthrow the United States, by people like raven, also have that very same very predictable response when they are attacked, insulted, and demonized. But strangely, raven doesn’t grasp that.
Amusingly, a few hours before raven started the comments above, John Kwok observed
The Tea Party Movement started in February 2009. Only within the last few months has it opted to align itself to the Republican Party. So, just on the face of it, I am quite confident that it will resist any “fundamentalist take over”. Most Tea Party Movement activists tend to be fellow Libertarian in their outlook and couldn’t care less about Xian concerns with regards to abortion, stem cell research, etc. etc.:
And, just minutes after raven correctly observed that “Humans have a very predictable response when they are attacked, insulted, and demonized”, Mike in Ontario, NY, responds to John Kwok,
Spontaneous? Grass-roots? Pffft. John, you’re talking out your arse on this one. The teabaggers are being promoted from “below” by white supremacist organizations who are mainstreaming their Xian terrorism via friendly mouthpieces like Faux Noise, Whirled Nut Doily, Dredge, etc. Stop trying to portray the new white power movement as being something actually sensible, credible, or even popular. The fringers are getting a lot of play right now, but they’re just being manipulated with divisive ploys and white suburban race paranoia. Restoring civil liberties? WTF are you smoking, Kwok? You sound like a YEC’er when you speak of the ‘baggers.
Yep, nothing improves dialog like impugning people’s motives without basis, calling them racists without evidence, and consistently using a crude sexual slur to refer to them. And of course they won’t respond in the predictable fashion … right?